The Council of Europe, the bloc's human rights body, adopted its first framework convention on artificial intelligence (AI, democracy and the rule of law on 17 May. It's heralded as the world's first binding international treaty to ensure the technology doesn't interfere with human rights. But the negotiations were riddled with criticism, particularly around the treatment of the private sector.

We are joined by Hanne Juncher, Director of Security, Integrity and Rule of Law of the Council of Europe, who deals with AI and negotiated the Convention to discuss if it is worth the hype after all. The conversation dove into why the Convention matters, the complexity of the negotiations, the criticism it has received and next steps.

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